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(or have it be collaborative)

a lot of people do

Having a female body might bother some of us slightly but not enough for it to be dysphoria

well what if your tulpa wanted to be a writhing mass of genetalia spewing feces? would you really allow such a thing?

Sure

I doubt a tulpa would really want to seriously be something the host was disgusted by or hated. It probably wouldn't even cross their mind

yes

being something the host wants is just an extension of that same thought indigo

well yeah, the point they're going for though is that it should be more up to what the tulpa wants, rather than just what the host wants

12:36 AM

Tacio didn't really have any plans like that when he created me

usually a form is decided upon long before it has the capacity to actually choose

I chose my form myself

its not as if it cannot be changed later even

yeah but it's not like it can't be changed

originally he just used a blue orb to force me

As did I, and my sister. We chose our own forms and stuck with the names we liked.

It can be changed, but if the host gets too attached to the tulpa's form, it may be a bit difficult

12:37 AM

plus, certain forms could influence the way the tulpa's personality develops

[And the tulpa, in a typical fashion often wants to be whatever the host wants because dependency ect. Mind you I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing.]

the most recent form deciding thing was like a week ago and it was collaborative because he didnt have any idea what he wanted

like, if the host chooses a form of a character for them, then the host will think of them as that character, and that'll affect the tulpa's personality/identity

yeah now that i think about it

letting them choose their own form earlier on leads to them forming their own identity, instead of that of some character

the base characters for some of my tulpas had a fairly strong influence on how they would turn out

12:38 AM

its like the fictional characters but much more developed as people

seems like a moot idea in the long run, if anything picking these things gives the tulpa the challenge to overcome it and decide for itself

12:39 AM

all people are shaped by influences out of their control, even in the real world

[That seems silly. Maybe for soulbonds but even if I have a characters body my personality is so different there isn't any confusion.]

A challenge like that isn't always warranted for someone so young and clueless

i fail to see how it can cause a great enough deal of harm to be overtly concerned about it

Well you're probably well-developed, Silina. I'm talking brand new tulpas

Soulbonds are another slippery slope.

yeah, newly developed/developing tulpas based on characters can acquire the idea that they actually are the character, if their host isn't careful about that

Aurora greatly disliked her first form. But she doesn't like sticking to any one thing for very long anyway. She always has a theme. But it's usually very different day to day.

[my form is Paul McCartney]

12:42 AM

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Sweetie has chosen something and went with it. She hasn't done much other than alter hairstyle and clothing for awhile now.

is it really? I thought you were all dragons

ive never heard one of my system that was based on another character complain about that, nor were any of them dumb enough to ever believe that they were in fact that character

Check #introductions

but then if it was that dumb i wouldnt consider it a tulpa yet either

Two half-dragons and two space boys

12:43 AM

It's not that they're "dumb" it's just that the host will end up thinking of them as being that character, especially if they have both the name/form of that character

[Yeah even when new. With tulpish and early traits it's really hard to confuse. I remember taking character forms early on as well. I just, unless it's a soulbond type deal(and then because soulbond...) I don't see form affecting stuff that much.]

ah ok, but that says apollo has the paul mccartney form, not tacio

...that's just because whoever wrote it didn't want us to sound too crazy

12:44 AM

but really all three of them do

12:44 AM

I'm the only one who doesn't

hmm is it really that difficult to be real with yourself and think of it as something more accurate like "its own version of that character"

12:45 AM

like i keep saying, that make belief tends to bite you in the ass eventually

The host will still have memories of that character and a certain impression of that character, those things are bound to affect the tulpa in some ways

It does.

12:46 AM

At least with me it did.

again i fail to see any great harm in that

I really just think tulpas should be allowed to form their own identities

12:47 AM

without being inhibited by stuff like character forms

[It's as if you can't differentiate two closely looking people with different characters. At most I can see some traits bleeding over.]

No harm done. They just stopped wanting to be that character

really i think that if you want to let your tulpa form its own identity, good for you go do that, but if someone wants to mold their tulpa, good for them they should go do that

[Tulpas pretty much never form their own initial characters though? That's usually done by the host so you have something to build on. It's hard to make something of yourself starting from 0]

theres pros and cons to both paths and neither are inheritantly bad

I wasn't personality forced in any way whatsoever

12:48 AM

neither were Piano or Tacio

12:48 AM

Piano though had some base but it wasn't the host's doing, he's a bit of a weird story

i wasnt personality forced either, but my personality was molded from my functions as a servitor

12:50 AM

a moot point as the effect is essentially the same

Pretty much with me, Tacio just talked to an orb of light and thought of it as a new person developing. No personality base was required at all, as I simply formed my personality naturally

[Not even a casual intitial idea of oh this is how Indigo is? That you then developed. I mean i have a hard time seeing a tulpa veeing created without some sort of initial impression from the host.]

Nope

if not my personality was even more ingrained into me that way

None at all

12:50 AM

Tacio wanted to let me to grow as me without any interference from him (edited)

12:50 AM

So he did

he wanted you to grow thats an influence in and of itself

Actually he wanted me to grow slowly, and I didn't, lol

you know what i think is scary? i dont think its actually fully possible to fully escape the influence

12:52 AM

no matter what you or the host does

Tacio didn't even pick my name, he just called me "you" until I was sentient and chose my own

12:52 AM

Well yeah that's true, Akagi. That's true for tulpas and pretty much everyone else

12:52 AM

you're always going to be influenced by your peers, your biological predispositions, your situations, etc.

12:53 AM

but that's the beauty of it, right? More natural that way, less manufactured

i need only to look at my own kid for an example to see tho that humans on their own have more independence in this area

At least I think

[So how did you start? Thinking of a glowing light talking until you did. Idk I guess it's not direct forcing and just subconscious expectations in the beginning then. Either way I don't necessarily see random subconscious expectations as much better than a consfiously decided light base to start from.]

It was still direct forcing

12:54 AM

he was still focusing on me, even if I didn't have a real identity yet

but i still see no inherant problem with manufactured but i suppose the smart thing to do with manufactured would be to at least make the thing fine with it being that way

my identity began to form pretty quickly as I reached sentience and grew

12:54 AM

it's like this:

lets not get deep into how i started, i dont want to get yelled at for it

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I would interact with others, and their reactions could serve as reinforcements for certain behaviors of mine If I liked the reactions, or I was enjoying how I acted, etc, then those behaviors could grow/morph/form/etc. into actual personality traits

12:56 AM

This continuing over a certain amount of time can form a developed, integrated personality

[I am a clone/roleplay thingi of Sete that grew from there.]

And that personality can continue to grow and change, but for me I'm pretty much the same but more mature

12:57 AM

It was the same with Tacio too, where people's reactions and such would form behaviors, only that led him to a personality that's very different from mine

but thats not really choosing to be yourself indigo thats just going around trying to be what pleases everyone

I wasn't really trying to please anyone

12:58 AM

more I was just trying to do things that amused me, mostly

12:58 AM

early on

when i started doing things that amused me my host got scared and shooed my sentience away